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Which would you prefer?

4 total markings.
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3%
3 markings, 2 minimarkings.
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Either is good.
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Neither. Leave things as they are.
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Paragon Markings: Increasing Max or Adapting Minimarks

Postby ToxicShadow » 12/30/2012 9:58 AM

With as many Paragon markings that we have, including the larger number of markings that cover up much smaller portions of the body now, I think it would be a great idea to either increase the total number of markings a Paragon can have, or break them up into markings and minimarkings.

I think good ratios would be...

4 total markings
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3 markings, 2 minimarks.

In the case of minimarks, I consider the following small enough to be "for sure," based on size: Clawpad, Crossed and Skulls.

And then these that are small, but may or may not all be quite small enough: Tail Band, Mystwalker, Lizard Legs, Body Bar and Checkered.

I know that the concern with Paragon and the idea of having minimarkings is that they may get too cluttered, but I think the ratios that I suggested would be okay without going overboard.

And if minimarkings are introduced, that opens a lot of windows for new marking ideas and definitely a lot of design ideas for everyone.
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Re: Paragon Markings: Increasing Max or Adapting Minimarks

Postby Thunder » 12/30/2012 1:02 PM

I think the 3 markings/2 minimarks idea is pretty neat. Clawpad, Crossed and Skulls could be minimarks for sure, and maybe Lizard Legs, but I don't think Tail Band, Mystwalker, or Body Bar should be.
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Re: Paragon Markings: Increasing Max or Adapting Minimarks

Postby Azura Rayume » 12/30/2012 1:30 PM

Just wanted to add Checkered to the "Maybe" list. While it touches multiple parts of the body, none of those cover much at all.



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Re: Paragon Markings: Increasing Max or Adapting Minimarks

Postby Shieba » 12/30/2012 1:38 PM

While I'm not against this, I'm also hesitant to vote for it because the mods have expressed several times before that working with the Paragon files is a pain and I don't wanna give them even more trouble. So I voted for "Leave things as they are". o3o But I'd have no problem with a change, either, if the mods approve of it.



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Re: Paragon Markings: Increasing Max or Adapting Minimarks

Postby SpringsSong » 12/30/2012 1:52 PM

I marked to leave things as they are because, for me, picking three markings for some of my Paragon is a hassle, and I feel if that limit were increased/certain markings classed as "minimarkings", it would either make things harder to decide and/or make them feel more cluttered, in addition to the mods having expressed that working with the Paragon files is a pain as is right now.
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Postby Kyrit » 12/30/2012 2:18 PM

I have already personally expressed to Baal that she needs to consider changing the limits for both Paragon and Lucain based solely on the fact that she herself keeps going past that limit on randoms. So, hopefully this may be something that is done in the future, though I don't know if Baal will for sure or not since that's up to her when all is said and done.
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Re: Paragon Markings: Increasing Max or Adapting Minimarks

Postby Kitsumi » 12/30/2012 5:51 PM

I voted for the three markings, two mini-markings. I don't exactly think that just saying '4 Markings' would be a good idea, since then the paragon could become cluttered if people began choosing 4 of the large, intricate markings. But I think the three markings and two mini-markings is a great idea.


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Re: Paragon Markings: Increasing Max or Adapting Minimarks

Postby ToxicShadow » 02/13/2013 2:48 AM

Noting that I added "Checkered," to the maybes list, as Azura did mention that they are rather small.

Also, some of the markings I put on "maybes," are there because, while they may cover more of the body than some of the other smaller ones, I was sort of going by Lucain ratios, as far as minimarkings went. Some minimarkings on Lucain actually cover a pretty large portion over all, and they're the only thing we can compare Paragon to. (Like Coontail vs. Tail Band. Mudpaw/Banded vs Mystwalker/Lizard Legs.)

In respect to the option of "4 markings," too, I think most of the general populace wouldn't really design a lot of overly cluttered Paragon even with the option, given that we all like things that look nice. And if it was cluttered, I imagine that it would be done tastefully.

Personally, I picked "Either option," in the vote, since I think either way would be a little improvement to how things are now and would just be nice to have all together.
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Postby GrayGriffin » 02/13/2013 3:39 AM

Kyrit wrote:I have already personally expressed to Baal that she needs to consider changing the limits for both Paragon and Lucain based solely on the fact that she herself keeps going past that limit on randoms. So, hopefully this may be something that is done in the future, though I don't know if Baal will for sure or not since that's up to her when all is said and done.


Kind of irrelevant, but can I see some examples of this? I haven't noticed any that go "over the limit."

I think that either way would work fine.
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Re: Paragon Markings: Increasing Max or Adapting Minimarks

Postby Silverin » 02/13/2013 2:02 PM

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There four markings :l and one of the most recent. There are others who go over the limit but he is the first that comes to mind
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Re: Paragon Markings: Increasing Max or Adapting Minimarks

Postby Azura Rayume » 02/13/2013 3:11 PM

Yeah, Kone has Body Bar, Crossed, Banded, and Panda.

Also, this:
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Re: Paragon Markings: Increasing Max or Adapting Minimarks

Postby GrayGriffin » 02/13/2013 3:29 PM

Ah. I didn't really notice, since they work together so well.
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Re: Paragon Markings: Increasing Max or Adapting Minimarks

Postby ToxicShadow » 02/13/2013 3:58 PM

For me, it was Kone and this gal that comes to mind immediately from recent randoms:

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And another older example was Middy's Midnight:
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Bones, Belly, Skulls, and Mystwalker.

In the way of Lucain, this was the first boy to come to mind:
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Re: Paragon Markings: Increasing Max or Adapting Minimarks

Postby Cookie » 02/14/2013 8:12 AM

If we do this, can we get potions for breedings that only allow the normal amount of markings? I'm okay with this, but I'd like to be able to control it in breedings.
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Re: Paragon Markings: Increasing Max or Adapting Minimarks

Postby Silverin » 02/14/2013 1:24 PM

If you want to control it in breedings why not have it like the extra lucain mini marks? :l Have breedings only produce 3 still? Or have four just be rare.

I think having a potion only for that would be a bit of a waste.
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