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Postby Shieba » 01/08/2015 12:16 AM

I had this idea since quite some time now, but since I took an Evelon break, I never posted it.

So far, I never used a Chaos Draught because I never wanted all of the effects. I really wish we would have potions giving only some of them. So like
- one potion which gives one of the babies random colors (but not random markings)
- one potion which gives random markings (but keeps the color range)

I personally pick my markings very carefully as there are some I just plain don't like, so the chance of such markings appearing makes me not used Chaos Draughts. But a randomly-colored baby would be nice sometimes to keep things exciting if the parents have a close color range (I like blue too much...).

I'm not saying we should split up the Chaos Draught - it's popular, after all - but I'd like to see additonal potions.



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Re: Potion Ideas

Postby Silver » 01/08/2015 12:19 AM

Ooh, I like this idea! It helps add a little crazy without the chance of getting colors or markings you really don't like, whichever you choose.



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Re: Potion Ideas

Postby zapdragon555 » 01/08/2015 12:31 AM

I also like this! Seconding~ It would be a nice little addition. Or maybe, at the start of a breeding just specify if you want marking chaos, color chaos, or both? Instead of making new potions.



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Re: Potion Ideas

Postby Shieba » 01/08/2015 12:41 AM

I'm glad people like the idea. I also just thought of another thing I would really like (though I doubt it would be popular): I'd love a potion which would prevent random minimarkings on Lucain litters. It happened to me more than once that I got a baby with a new minimarking the parents didn't have and well... they didn't have it for a reason. =/ I am very picky with my markings and the randomness in Lucain breedings which can never be ruled out is one of the main reasons I prefer Gon by a lot.

I would love it if the Charcoal Tonic could maybe get this additional effect.



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Re: Potion Ideas

Postby Atoli01 » 01/08/2015 12:46 AM

Popping in to second both ideas~ o3o (Namely Zap's variation for the first option. It seems like it would be burdensome to create entire new potions when you can just add the feature to the Chaos Draught, potentially.) I personally love the random minimark bit, but I can see how others wouldn't be so fond of it.


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Re: Potion Ideas

Postby Jaykobell » 01/08/2015 12:49 AM

I actually like these two ideas. I personally dislike doing litters with Chaos Draughts, because I never know what you guys want from them. I'm already self-conscious making regular litters, and then the Chaos Draught is... yeah. It's such a wildcard.

So I'd actually like to see these. At least I'd know a little more what you guys want, since it's more restrictive.

So I'm good with making a whole new potion, or like Zap suggested, making it features of the Chaos Draught, to be clarified/picked at the start of a breeding.

I don't see anything wrong with having a potion for Lucain that prevents random minimarks. I personally like having that ability as a breeding artist, because sometimes, when used well, those minimarks can really add to a design.

Though it could be an interesting use to the Charcoal Tonic. Basically negating anything random, like minimarks and seasons.

But I have no say in potions, so this is just my member-ish opinion on the matter.
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Re: Potion Ideas

Postby Shieba » 01/08/2015 1:01 AM

If we could somehow add that choice to the Chaos Draught, that would be awesome! Though the Chaos Draught also has the effect of randomizing Gon heads, which is... another reason I would never use it for my Gon breedings. If we could disable that randomness as well (maybe Charcoal Tonic + Chaos Draught, though really, then stuff would get rather complicated and new potions might actually be easier), I'm all for the idea of including the options into the Chaos Draught.

And I understand why having the minimark option is nice for both some users and the staff doing the litters. I agree it can really add to designs and I've gotten quite a few babies with awesome minimarks appearing, don't get me wrong. But I'm always scared of getting stuff like Hearts. Hearts is so difficult to cover up on the tails thanks to its positioning and I absolutely dislike these super-non-natural symbol (mini)marks, so no matter how awesome the design and colors, I would always sell a baby with one of them. Which I had to do before and it made my heart bleed because aside from the minimark, the baby had been perfect.



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Re: Potion Ideas

Postby Thunder » 01/10/2015 11:28 AM

I really like all of these ideas as well. @ The Charcoal tonic negating anything random, that might not be desirable to those who want to keep random things like mini marks but still negate the season, so I can see a potion that negates anything random becoming its own separate thing o3o
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Re: Potion Ideas

Postby ToxicShadow » 01/18/2015 5:57 PM

Just popping in to say that it might be neat to make a "Minor Chaos Draught." It could be slightly cheaper than the Chaos Draught (like 10 KS cheaper?), but only be used to randomize one thing, which would be specified? The user would specify if they wanted random colors, random markings, or random species/wings/tail (in the case of Paragon).

A potion that somehow negates the appearance of mini markings might be nice for some, so throwing my vote in with that, as well. I usually like random mini marking appearances, but I can see how some users would be against it. Depending on the breeding, too, I could potentially see myself using it, if I wanted all the babies to strictly share markings with the parents.
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Re: Potion Ideas

Postby MillietheWarrior » 01/21/2015 7:46 PM

On the note of doing "minor" potions: since we have a lot of marking mutations that can be both addition or deletion, what about a potion that's a little more expensive (like 175 maybe? Or even less expensive) that allows you to choose if you want an addition or deletion mutation? Personally, I'd like to breed for some of the additions, but I don't want the deletions, so I think it might be an interesting potion.

Or even adding that option to the emission liquor, since it's already 150 KS and not a lot of people can afford that one as it is.

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Re: Potion Ideas

Postby Shieba » 01/21/2015 8:01 PM

I fully agree, Millie! I bought a liquor for a specific breeding to get a specific addition and am super-scared to end up with the deletion instead. =( It would be so nice to specify.



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Re: Potion Ideas

Postby ToxicShadow » 01/21/2015 8:46 PM

As I feel that mutations are supposed to be rare things and the potion negated that already (which I'm sure is the reason for the high price), I'm not really in favor of getting to specifically choose which mutation you get. If you really want to do get a specific mutation, then there is the option to mix it with a Palette Potion.
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Re: Potion Ideas

Postby Shieba » 01/21/2015 9:06 PM

I would totally agree with you, Toxic, if it would be the same for all possible mutations. As in, if all of them would have an addition and a deletion, then it would be totally "fair". But right now, if you want a... let's say Frostbite mutation, you're good. There's only the addition. But if you want - like me - the Backsplash one, then to make sure you get what you want, you need to shell out more KS for the Palette Potion to ensure you get what you want... when maybe all you know is that you want the addition and have no clue about the rest? What if I want an addition but not design the whole Lucain because I want to be surprised? If the 50:50 chance would be the same for all mutations, I'd say it's fair. But right now, it's not since you can get the 100% guarantee with a Liquor for some of the markings with only addition or deletion.



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