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Postby Jaykobell » 10/17/2015 2:44 PM

With me no longer being a part of staff, I see this as an opportunity to maybe stir up some input from the community. Remember that I'm now basically a member like anyone else here, except with some behind the scenes privileges. But I no longer have access to the Mod area, and I no longer have the ability to discuss things with the team.

That being said, I think there's things we could suggest and/or implement if users got to give input on it. It's different when things are discussed between staff, than when things are features or concepts that the community — the people the staff should be working for — actually wants to see.

That being said; does anyone have any comments and/or suggestions on the potions currently available? Maybe you want more Ballama-like potions? Maybe you want potions to be better and more useful? Do you want something to be tweaked just a bit?

I find potions to be an interesting asset of Evelon, and being able to use them more and/or tweak them feels important to me.

That being said, here's my own major suggestion:

Make the Impel Liquor become an instant-growth potion.

As it stands, the potion shortens the amount of time it takes for babies to grow from 5-7 days to 1-2 days. Sure, it sounds nice in theory...

Thing is though, with the way the breeding system is right now, this potion is literally useless and basically wasted:

- Babies usually grow within 4-6 days. Long gone are the days when staff would wait an actual 7 days to grow babies;
- Staff actually has a rule that if a litter is done after too long a period of time, then the babies will be grown much faster to compensate for the wait;
- If the potion makes babies grow within 1-2 days... why is staff wasting their time with baby forms? The staff is the first party to mention how they don't have any time to do anything, and yet with this opportunity, they keep making baby forms just for the sake of 24 hours;
- As an artist, I've actually refunded an Impel Liquor before because the breeding had been sitting for God knows how long; rendering the potion completely worthless, since at that point, I just gave the breeder grown babies.

If breeding were a true focus — which it isn't, since Evelon is about RPing, not breeding — then maybe the Impel would have a bit more purpose with its current feature; but as it stands, it's a worthless potion. Making it that the babies grow instantly saves time for the staff and avoids more waiting on the part of the breeders.

That's my current suggestion. Any one else got anything they'd like to see? Personally I wouldn't mind more potions with little floaty spirits, though that's a relatively big project. Also not sure how popular things like the Ballama are?

Anyhow. Comment and discuss!
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Re: Potion Discussion

Postby Citanul » 10/17/2015 3:22 PM

I really like the Ballamas, and I'd like to see more little floaty spirits in other forms. :) I think it'd be a project to be certain, but perhaps one that would be worth it as a KS sink if you could get enough animals around.

Impel Liquor I think works better as an intsa-grow. Especially since a lot of times you aren't really waiting for them to grow, you're waiting for them to be born. The Itzal x Hirymes litter was waiting a full month to be 'born' but grew within just a couple of days. I love the little pup forms anyway, but it works just better as a skip-the-puppy stage potion.

I wouldn't mind something similar to the Chaos Draught, but for the entire litter guaranteed instead of just one. I think there was a more powerful one that gave that particular pet entirely random genetics? But it seems to not be in the shop anymore. In the case of say, Caine and Lysandroth, they've been bred as lifemates three times. There are few more things to do with their pups, I think, and being able to attach a one-use potion to their breedings instead of a complete random potion to just Caine or Lysa would be a good alternative. Or for those older customs that have few markings.

I know it's been brought up before, I think there may have been another thread or a mini-contest, my memory is fuzzy, about having a 'twins' potion, netting you very similar pups? I know Rainbowfox Ari has had twin plots before, as have I and Kallile, and Ander and I have played some of our pups as 'twins' though they look nothing alike. With 1-pup litters so uncommon these days, and a partner almost guaranteeing 2 offspring, I don't think this would be a terrible idea.
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Re: Potion Discussion

Postby zapdragon555 » 10/17/2015 3:41 PM

I also like the idea of more ballama-like potions! They're really cute. ;w;

Definitely putting a thumbs up on the insta-grow impel liquor thing. Though honestly I have my own opinions about baby forms of pets in general (I don't,, fully see the point, since Diosol and Kuhna don't have them, so it's not like we're trying to keep up any air of realism), but yeah. Insta-grow potion is yes. ouo

I also like Citanul's idea of a whole-litter chaos draught that is similar to an EoF in that it is limited and expensive and only is released occasionally.



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Re: Potion Discussion

Postby Silverin » 10/28/2015 4:47 AM

Just a note some of us spread the chaos out over a number of babies. Like random colors for one and random marks for another. The more powerful chaos was the Elixir but thats a contest thing that is rare and does not come out often. Plus its permanent. (which I am not sure how pallet potions with with them since there are only really three breedables with this. LB, one of Crow's and Draiz's FF cain)
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Re: Potion Discussion

Postby Freezair » 10/28/2015 4:10 PM

I fully agree with the Impel Liquor being insta-grow! With things as they are now, that seems like the best option. It's especially so in that there's still a lot of inconsistency in how fast babies grow, and sometimes it does make me wonder, "OK, would the potion be worth it, or will I get a mod who's as impatient as I am and who will grow the babies fast?" I do, however, like the fact that Lucain, Paragon, and Soveris still have baby forms. I've always found the baby forms adorable. Plus, it helps build anticipation for when they fully grow. It's like watching a trailer for a movie--it helps whet your appetite for the full version and lets you enjoy the feeling of guessing what they'll be like in full.

I know waaay back in the day, it was said that you could use a Ballama potion to freeze a Lucain in its pup state, but no one ever did it and the mods eventually decided that it was a bad idea and stopped it. However, I still think it'd be a neat idea if there was a subspecies of Lucain/Paragon/Soveris whose whole schtick was that they looked like their baby versions--not breedable, just adorable. (Not growable either, unless the mods willed it in an Imperial/Purine Lucain situation.) I still think that'd be a neat idea, if at all possible. Especially since Lucain/Paragon/Soveris ownership has become much easier these days with the advent of open breedings and free, site-owned rentals.

As for the Ballamas themselves... I love them, but other people seem less keen on them. I know a lot of people don't reaaally dip their toes into the battle system much, but maybe in the Ballamas had some kind of battle effect, that might entice people to try them out? I do like the idea of other species, though. Different kinds of cool spirits that can partner up with pets... or even, maybe, fairies? I think that'd be neat.

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Re: Potion Discussion

Postby Moofius » 10/28/2015 5:12 PM

I think it should be an insta-grow product. No babyforms, just here's the adult. If you're impatient, just use the potion and bab adults! It saves time for the mods, too, since they then do not have to make the baby forms. If you want the baby form? Don't use the potion and wait.

I DO like the idea of perma-baby potion. I dunno how many of us would make use of it, but if could be a cute idea. c:

Other universal spirit/add ons would be really super cool though! I always liked the ballamas but the shape of them, in particular, just never interested me or never really made sense with any of my characters. A little shadow gremlin? Yeah I could see that being cool. Fairies? Heck yes! A spirit-y looking thing that looks like a snake/rabbit/dog/cat/chimera? Yeah totally! Maybe make that a design contest, or a backstory contest like, describe what it might look like, and what it is (since many of these contests have been visual recently).
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Re: Potion Discussion

Postby Desrian » 10/28/2015 6:06 PM

I like the idea of a perma-baby potion! I would certainly use it at least once!






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Re: Potion Discussion

Postby Nyxia » 10/29/2015 1:28 PM

I love the idea of having the ballamas in different shapes! I've really never once considered buying one, because...well the shape. I have several characters who have spirit kind of things attached to them, but they aren't llama looking spirits. I also would love to see them in different colors, not just shapes. Possibly a nice little Ks sink would be seasonal species & colors. Just my opinion there, but I bet people would be interested in christmas theme or halloween theme to them, of colors and types.


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Re: Potion Discussion

Postby ToxicShadow » 10/29/2015 1:53 PM

This is only my opinion, not a confirmation on anything, but I think it would be neat to have more Ballama-like potions. Potentially, perhaps the different spirits could be similar to the old Think Sprites.

As for the Impel Liquor becoming an instant-growth potion, I do like that idea, especially as someone whom breeds a lot, for many of the reasons already said.
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Re: Potion Discussion

Postby Thunder » 10/29/2015 4:39 PM

I definitely agree that the Impel Liquor would work better as an insta-grow. Seems like that's what most other folks think too.

Citanul wrote:I wouldn't mind something similar to the Chaos Draught, but for the entire litter guaranteed instead of just one. I think there was a more powerful one that gave that particular pet entirely random genetics? But it seems to not be in the shop anymore.

With 1-pup litters so uncommon these days, and a partner almost guaranteeing 2 offspring, I don't think this would be a terrible idea.


What Silv said. Chaos results are really up to the moderator doing them, buuut we could probably toy with the idea if making more "specific" Chaos potions if more people want that. The entirely random potion, the Chaos Elixir, was a one time thing given out during a contest; it was never sold in the shop. Right now Crow and Kyrit have the only two in existence. However, I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a few more pop up cause it is pretty cool : O

As for 1 and 2 pup litters, they aren't "uncommon"...they straight up don't exist unless you use the Skimp Tonic. Just wanted to clarify that.

If we introduced more "mini pets" like the Ballamas that might be neat from a collectible standpoint, though I'm personally not really keen on them since I don't know what I'd ever use them for. Giving them some more practical application is something we could consider; I do like the idea of them giving benefits in battle, like granting specific traits or doing a little bit of extra damage, etc.
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