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Postby Jaykobell » 03/01/2016 11:20 AM

This was inspired by Toxxic's post in the add-on topic and the subsequent reply by zap. Also by my other suggestion that I don't see happening.

My idea was to create a new section specifically for feedback. My format idea would be the following:

Main Forum: Community Feedback
Subforums: Art Feedback, Writing Feedback, RolePlay Listings (Records?), Miscellaneous Feedback

The purpose would be specifically for members looking for advice and feedback on custom designs, art in general (critique), story ideas, character development, RPs, and as long as it doesn't concern Evelon or someone in the community, feedback for RL, dealing with harassment or problems outside the forums (i.e. you want to write the person a message, is this too rude/blunt/mean?).

Roleplay Records or whatever name fitting, would be to list RPs for those who want a permanent 'library' of their RPs, instead of having them scattered throughout journals, pens, important documents, and the likes.

Of course, certain rules would need to be put there, as there is a clear distinction between positive constructive criticism and plain bashing/degrading. I'm up for drafting rules if this idea gets accepted.

That's my idea, but is there anything else members would like to see under such a thing? Of course, even if you have nothing else to add, please express support or otherwise so that staff can see whether or not this is wanted.
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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby ToxxicRenegadeAngel » 03/01/2016 12:23 PM

I think this would be a great idea, especially as although we currently have threads on these subjects they tend to get buried within the gossip and chatter section and require digging to find them.
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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby zapdragon555 » 03/01/2016 12:53 PM

Supporting this idea as well! It would be a great place to consolidate all of the recent suggestions with archiving RPs and rating things!



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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby Azura Rayume » 03/01/2016 11:12 PM

Yes. Please. All of this. Especially the writing and art feedbacks, these I crave. It could be a gateway to the other thread suggestions, too; if this is well received and people are using the RP feedback/recording threads, there could be the addition of a "vote for your favorites" portion later.



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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby Freezair » 03/01/2016 11:14 PM

Now this I can get behind! It would also be nice if there was a system to incentivize people giving feedback, as opposed to merely asking for it, but I'm too tired to think of what that might be. :P

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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby Jaykobell » 03/02/2016 1:15 AM

My only guess could be a standard KS fee. Maybe something low like 25-75? Idk. Where it's a nice amount still, but not so much that it becomes a loophole.

That or we could award KS depending on the amount of words in the critique, perhaps. I think KS is usable everywhere now and something people struggle to come across if they don't have time to RP.
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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby Silver » 03/02/2016 2:58 AM

I like the idea of a section for feedback!

Artists/writers can benefit a lot from taking on constructive feedback. Giving unsolicited feedback is often considered rude, so it would be really helpful if we had a place where we know feedback is acceptable.

Of course I think there should definitely be some rules about feedback needing to be constructive. Negative feedback is okay, but just being negative is not. (I hope that made sense!)

I'm really wary of the idea of "real life" feedback being part of this. It seems like it has a huge potential to drop into a big drama problem. Plus, I'm concerned about the possibility that someone would give well meaning but potentially harmful advice.


I have to admit I don't really like the idea of monetary incentive to post feedback. Feedback is something that should be genuine, and I feel like offering a reward for doing it is contrary to that. However, I'm not entirely against doing something to acknowledge people who consistently post helpful feedback. I'm just not sure what that could be.



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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby Jaykobell » 03/02/2016 10:27 AM

That's a good point, Silver, with respect to seeking RL advice. My reasoning would be that the internet is equally liable for misinforming, and sometimes, asking real people might be a bit more accurate. But if people share the feeling, it's no problem to me to forgo that particular category.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on that?

Concerning the incentive, I can see both sides. That's partially why I suggested the amount range I did, and only KS; where it's nice to get if you give a critique, but not life-changing (like getting a pet). Unless it could be left to the members requesting the critiques? Or it could be left to their discretion. It's kinda like paying for a commission, in a sense, right? Sure, the person didn't come and draw your character just because, but that doesn't mean they won't put effort into the commission. Does that make sense?
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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby Freezair » 03/02/2016 5:41 PM

I totally understand the whole "not wanting to bribe people to give feedback" thing. I mostly just worry that, well, everybody wants to get feedback but nobody wants to write it. I'm as guilty of this as anyone, I'll admit it. I just was trying to think of ways to ensure people will actually write feedback instead of just everybody posting their stuff and nobody getting replies.

The other thing I thought of was having "feedback exchange"--I.E., you submit something you want to be feedbacked, and you get paired up with someone who will give you feedback, but in exchange you have to critique something of theirs. Of course, you could choose what you were willing to give feedback on. (I can do writing critique all day--well, I mean, I do, that's my actual job--but I wouldn't know the first thing about art critique.) The main problem I'd see with this is that it would require an organizer, and that just seems like another thing that doesn't need to be piled on the staff.

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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby Mousen » 03/03/2016 3:19 PM

I like this idea. ^^

Now sure if this is useful, but I'm just throwing it out there for the not bribing people for feedback thing. Maybe the mods could give out small-medium prizes to those that give consistent feedback. It wouldn't be a competition or anything, just, "Hey, this person has been giving out consistent and nice feedback for the past couple months. Boom! 100ks. Or a seasonal off their wishlist."

Or, anyone that gives out feedback longer than, idk,  five/ten sentences gets put into a raffle for the aforementioned small/medium prize? It could be monthly, every two months, or every three?

Either that or it could be a very small prize, like 15ks for the five or ten+ sentences feedback. No one is going to write feedback just for that unless they're desperate for the KS, but it is a little reward for those that spend their time writing feedback for others.

Anyway, not sure if this is any good, but, yeah.


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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby zapdragon555 » 03/03/2016 3:33 PM

To take away the need for mods to reward manually, what if we just allowed KS gain in these areas?

The initial poster gets 5 KS for simply making a topic, which must include a link to the RP and at least 5 sentences of summary for the RP to tell people what it's loosely about. Then, everyone who provides feedback must write at least 5 sentences, and will gain 5 KS, just like in any RP area! But instead of RP, it's feedback on the RPs, haha.



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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby Jaykobell » 03/03/2016 3:35 PM

Any input is good, Mousen. Thank you for showing your support~

I don't think a raffle would be a good idea, if only because it's a little 'big'. You know what I mean? I associate raffles with bigger prizes, so it might be too much of a bribe.

But I think rewarding based on the amount of critiques/consistency would be the best thing to do. There could be a topic like the licenses where people post links to their critiques, and maybe every 5-10 critiques, they get a certain amount of KS. KS isn't hard or time-consuming to reward, so I don't see it being a hard thing to do.

I would gladly offer to do it, but then the staff would have to give me back my banking powers. P: But I wouldn't mind monitoring that section if it became a thing.
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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby Jaykobell » 03/03/2016 3:39 PM

I was ninja'd by zap so I'm just going to post again so it's seen.

Zap, my only thing with that would be that the section would also include art critiques, and the user might not have a whole 5 sentences to say about it. Not only that, but it would be a lot harder to monitor than regular RPs to check and make sure everyone is typing 5 sentences. Unlike RPs, it's not something people do consciously when typing in non-RP areas and that could lead to more staff work, actually.

Not only that, but I find it's a restriction on critiques. I know 5 sentences isn't a big amount, but sometimes all people wanna say is very short, like, "I loved it. Please, please write more. I'll totally read it." Which is 3 sentences, which would then require staff to send a PM saying 'can you edit your post to be 5 sentences'... and it's a hassle to monitor.

Awarding KS to members is not time-consuming. And again, if the staff wants to give me back my banking powers to modify currency, I will gladly monitor the section and award as necessary if we use a system similar to licenses.
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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby zapdragon555 » 03/03/2016 7:04 PM

Very true! That's a good point. Well, if you'd be willing to do it and there's an easy way to code transaction things back in for your position, I don't see why that couldn't be done. ovo



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Re: Feedback Forum/Section

Postby ToxicShadow » 03/03/2016 7:25 PM

I generally think that having any area specifically dedicated to feedback would be useful, and a nice way to draw some attention to it, more so than such topics being in the chatter section.

Please bare in mind, I have not read over every single reply here right before replying (I've been reading it on my phone as replies have popped up), so I'm not going into a great length of detail at the moment.

However, I am not against the idea for rewarding users for giving feedback since I have noticed, for a long time now, that it's often difficult to actually get other users to respond to any threads, not just those requesting feedback. It's a sad fact, but true, that users often read threads without giving any sort of responses, even if it's just, "Yeah, that's awesome!" I, too, feel like there needs to be more interaction between users on the forums, outside of the IRC environment (which actually seems to be dying, too, to some degree).

While I cannot speak for the other staff members, I actually don't mind making a feedback dedicated area a KS gaining area, without requiring a specific amount of sentences. I say this, because, honestly, if you're posting, even if it's only three sentences, not five, you still took the time to read a roleplay, look at some artwork, designs, and etc. And, in most cases, I expect users will be able to give constructive replies, which may very well easily reach five sentences, anyway. Feedback could even be given in a bullet point form. Make just five bullet point sentences, what you liked, what you didn't like, any suggestions.

In the past, a long, long time ago, mind you, users gained KS in the advertisement area for posting, since that's just how the cash mod worked at the time. (With the old cash system, in order to see a user's KS in a forum area, you had to be able to gain KS there.) Yes, that was remedied, but if users could once make KS for that, why not be able to make KS for something actually constructive?

That said, even if the other staff agreed to make it a KS gaining area, we would have to monitor it some, to watch for abuse to the system. If users repeatedly posted short, once sentence replies, then it would become a problem and we'd have to remove the KS gain. I'm not against giving it a shot, though, and just trying it out. We don't know how well or how poorly something will go without first trying it.
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