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.:Regarding Pets/Real Money Sales (Update Nov. 2nd!):.

Postby BaalsBaby » 11/04/2009 12:57 AM

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Alright, so I haven't really made a fuss over it in recent times but I guess now's a good time as any to bring up a new rule/issue. I'm not pointing anyone out, of course, but lately there's been lots of trading going on, most of which involve real money instead of our forum currency. It should bother me that there's profit being made at all on customs and the like, but since you pay for them, I think it's a bit fair to say you can sell them to other people for the money back or what have you, since there are no refunds.

However, it does state on the website that all things are still property belonging to Evelon (you're paying for ownership rights and the creation of your imagined designs) but yes, they still fall under the copyright of Evelon. In saying that, I'm making too much of a deal about it now. But I'd like for only customs (breedable and non) to only be sold to other users for money. That means that pets that have been bred may not be sold for personal profit regarding real life currency. That is, unless you're planning to spend it on Evelon of course. As I see it, I've gone through the trouble and made you more 'customs' when you breed a litter, and I guess I feel a bit cheated since those aren't bought. So yes, I have have put down a rule against that, but like I said. I'm not pinpointing anyone nor am I terribly upset by anything like this that has gone on recently or so. Just wanted to cut the head off the snake before it bites, you could say. :)

EDIT: Since I kinda snuck up on people, and I understand some trades may have fallen through prior to this, I won't be putting this rule into action until Nov. 6th. So yeah, get through with your trades and if they were made before hand, I'll still go ahead and do anything custom-wise that was gotten from a deal like this. Cause I'm nice like that. Also, I guess I should define what is allowed so, the only things that can be sold for RL money for personal profit are:

*Custom Lucain
*Custom Paragon
*Regular Pet Customs
*Xmas Gift Pets (only the ones in the boxes that were sold on the main site.)




No, you can't trade retired pets. We don't really keep track of who pays for them, and who just adopted them back in the day.

But like I said, there's a small grace period for those who have done this before I smacked this rule into place, so don't fret too much. :)
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Re: .:Regarding Pets/Real Money Sales (Please Read!):.

Postby ToxicShadow » 11/04/2009 1:17 AM

Just a question... If we're selling bred pets for real life currency while intending to spend it on Evelon, can it still be collected in our own paypal for the sake of getting enough money to buy what it is we want? Seeing as people are often offered unusual amounts, we can't always get the even $15 or $20 or what-have-you to get a planned custom.
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Re: .:Regarding Pets/Real Money Sales (Please Read!):.

Postby BaalsBaby » 11/04/2009 1:18 AM

Of course. :) That's something more of on a 'trust' base, since we obviously can't officially monitor that, but yes you may. I trust you guys, man~ <3
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Postby Freezair » 11/04/2009 1:20 AM

What Toxic asked. What I'm getting out of this is: You can sell Evelon pets for Gift Shop money, but not for just regular PayPal cash that could be used in other places. Am I correct?

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Postby ToxicShadow » 11/04/2009 1:24 AM

As was said in the first post, dear, the pets may be sold only if the money is to be used for buying Evelon pets, yes.
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Postby Freezair » 11/04/2009 1:25 AM

D'oh. I got ninja'd by Baal, never mind. XD

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Re: .:Regarding Pets/Real Money Sales (Please Read!):.

Postby BaalsBaby » 11/04/2009 1:36 AM

A small edit to the main post. ^__^;
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Postby HunnyBun » 11/04/2009 1:45 AM

Wait
Can we sell or buy non customs as long as the money is going to buy Evelon stuff?


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Postby BaalsBaby » 11/04/2009 2:48 AM

Yes, you may. :) That's also kind of a trust thing.
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Postby GrayGriffin » 11/11/2009 8:15 AM

Could you please provide a reminder-type list of which Xmas gift pets were bought with RL money and which weren't?
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Postby Tick-Tock » 02/27/2010 12:09 AM

There's been some confusion about this (the rules page says it, but it's unclear elsewhere), so I'm spelling it out now.. you may only keep (as in, not spend on Evelon) the money you get from selling a pet that you are the original owner of. As in, customs you bought from Evelon. This is a new clarification, so if you were in error before don't worry about it. Just make sure all your new trades follow this guideline. :)
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Postby Kyrit » 08/11/2010 12:50 AM

I talked to Baal tonight regarding the selling of bred pets and what not for real money now that the gift shop is now closed as I know that a few users are probably wondering if they could now do so freely. At the current time you may still only sell customs that you originally paid for for real money. This prevents people from basically making a profit off of a pet that they may or may not have had to pay real money for, considering the work creating that pet was done by Baal.
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Postby Kyrit » 11/02/2011 2:40 PM

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Have you ever sold a bred Lucain for cash and then didn't know what to do with the money? Well, a new system has been decided to help you get that money off your hands and in to Baal's while giving you the option of spending it at a later time. This system will allow the user paying the money to another user to send the money directly to Baal. That means that the money will definitely be spent on Evelon, as it should be via the rules previously created in this thread. This also means that you aren't losing out on money. I'm sure we all know by now that paypal taxes most kinds of transfers. Having the money transfer only once means that you're losing less money while transferring it.

How does this work? I'll lay out an example for you to help make it clear.

Let's say I have a custom Mekkayena that I won from the KS raffles. I can't sell it for cash profit since I didn't pay for it with real money. I can choose to sell it for real money that will be spent on Evelon though. I really want two Breeder Boosters for it, and someone does offer ten dollars for it. There are no breeder boosters in stock at the time though and there's no telling when they will be. Well, instead of having that person send me the $10, I have them send it to Baal. They take a screen shot of it and then send this screen shot to Draiz(me) along with the name of who the money is for.

Draiz(me), then adds this money to their tab in the mod section. It's listed simply as "Draiz: $10." Any time this user wants to use that money, they notify me via PM that they are using the money on their tab. You never bother Baal with your tab. I'm the one keeping track of this, so don't confuse her by messaging her please. This tab is also only for if you are selling a pet for real money that you must spend on Evelon. You can't just send in $50 and say, "Hold on to this for me. I'll use it next time customs are open or if I win a raffle." It doesn't work that way.

This feature is meant to make the use of money that has to be spent on Evelon go more smoothly. It should also help those of you without a paypal to hang on to that extra money. =)

If any of this is confusing to you, feel free to ask about it and I'll try my best to clear any confusion.
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Re: .:Regarding Pets/Real Money Sales (Update Nov. 2nd!):.

Postby Cookie » 11/02/2011 5:53 PM

I think since this is an option now, people should be made to do this with any pet that the money HAS to go to Baal with. I see a lot of people who do trades and accept the money to their own paypal, but you cant really tell if they ever use it because there's not much to use it on right now. I'm not saying anyone's cheating with this stuff, but it'd prevent it from ever happening/being accused of happening.
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Re: .:Regarding Pets/Real Money Sales (Update Nov. 2nd!):.

Postby Shieba » 11/02/2011 6:57 PM

Total agreement with Cookie there! <3



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