Would you like for Evelon to allow more mature RPs? (PLEASE Read the post below before answering!)

[Shieba]

...I am saddened by the fact that I'm obviously the only one who is so shocked by gore and violence that I switch TV channels all the time when I see it, but have no problems watching movies involving a lot of sexytimes. I feel like an old, creepy man with a beer-belly now who watches p0rn a lot. DDDD8

[Chayden]

I started out in the romance genre myself, but I'd probably use the Mature section to really flex my gore muscle. I want to know exactly what I can do, y'know? Shieba, you do seem a bit outnumbered in that respect, but who knows? Once the option is actually there, then folks may find themselves interested in trying out a new kind of roleplay. :3

I don't really think that the whole Google-search pr0nz thang will be too much of an issue. Thinking about it in light of the speed of roleplays already [as freezy said, we're a laid-back community], I can't see too many of those woah-mama stories popping up, especially not right away. The way Shrewd is talking about it, the whole Mature section would be pretty hush-hush. I'd say that you'd have to be pretty dedicated in order to find us roundabout. x3

I'd probably choose to be able to see all sections just to know what y'all are up to, but I can see myself leaning away from the "horizontal tango"[xD] topics. Not because I'm uncomfortable with them, though; just because I'm not really in a romance swing right now.

So nyes. If you don't want to see any of it, then don't, I guess? o3o?

[Middy]

The way my opinion stands on RPs involving the passionate acts of love may differ from some. I don't see it as what you call "pr0n" but rather something deeply emotional between two people... unless of course you really are aiming for just "PWP" that relates nothing towards romance. Call me old fashioned, but when writing a scene with love making doesn't always have to be so explicit or dirty.

You can be vague about it, but still give your reader some idea what is going on. I have read books with such scenes in them, without it going into every detail about what is happening. If you can do it RIGHT you can express what is happening without it being dirty, but truly showing the love the two people have together. Sex isn't just about sex, it's also very emotional and yes... spiritual. That is my view on it now.

With "Pr0n" there is no emotional attachment between the two, its just some silly plot that goes into sex with nothing connecting the two people. Although that is my view on it. I don't know why some people think "Sex=porn" -.-;

I know many will not agree, but I am brave enough to voice my opinion on the matter. Rape on the other hand... that is solely about overpowering someone. It is a HATE crime, and not about sex. There may be a 3 or so % chance it is.
I'm not going to go into too much detail on THAT subject, it is touchy... I don't approve of it. That is just the truecrime person in me talking.

~Midnight

[Freezair]

Inexplicit stuff can be done well, and I'm not necessarily against that in "mature" RPs, but I definitely wouldn't endorse PWP/lemons/whatever you kids call it these days. Or, even if there is plot to it, I would definitely say Evelon is not the place for "IKEA Erotica"--if you've never heard the phrase, well, a lot of IKEA instructions tend to be "insert this part into that part," if you know what I mean. Yeah; I don't think Evelon is the place for that explicit stuff, for the reasons I've outlined above. There is definitely a place for it, but I don't think this is it.

[Shieba]

Middy, I love you for your post! <33333

IKEA romantic is not what I would write. D8 At least I don't think it would be. It would be much more romantic, but also rather explicit. I can't really describe it without giving examples, so bear with me here. D8 I certainly wouldn't dwell on the looks of any genital parts, but it also would be no fade-to-black scene.

[Jaykobell]

Goshdarnit, the only reason I admitted watching that OVA is because I thought nobody knew about that anime. xD;;
... Why are you giggling at me. :c

And Midnight: I share the same opinion as you do about love being something deep and passionate between two people (in the case of true love, let's say). But I'm quite curious as to how... you can make it not dirty, in written form. xD; Call me close-minded or not very creative, or perhaps... dirty, but. Hey, can't know every style/technique out there, right?
If you can make it written nicely into nothing gross/disgusting/'olol i r usin naughtee WERDZ!'/etc, then... Hey, I'm curious. Mind PMing me an example of that sort of style, Midnight?

And yeah, Chayden. We wouldn't young kids stumbling upon the section while visiting as guests, or what-have-you. Plus, hiding it to people would be more tedious than just revealing it to them. That way, whether you want to see the section or not will be up to you. It's always easier to ignore it when you don't see it. When you do, it's just like, 'ololol i'm heer'.
Like the freakin' Posting Games. 8|;;

[Freezair]

Remember, I am from the Internet. I know everything. Including the fact that it has two sequel OVAs, and one of them has the most stupidly catchy theme song ever even if it's super-whiny.

I also know how very, very hard it is to do explicit scenes well, because I have spent around two or three years at an Internet community elsewhere dedicated to mocking bad pr0nz. Yes, the things you learn about people, eh? XD Admittedly, that's part of the reason I don't want that sort of stuff here--I don't want the temptation to mock my fellow Evelonians for their skills at writing naughty things. XD

[Shieba]

Pff, as someone who writes MSTs with a passion, I don't mind being mocked myself. D8 In fact, I would encourage people to mock me more if only they would. (In MST form. Gosh, I love MSTs!) I find mocking to be much better than criticism, I can laugh about it while understanding what I did wrong - that's awesome. With criticism, I'm not always that good, but if I can get a laugh, I'm fine.

[ToxicShadow]

I agree with Freezy in her no "IKEA Erotica," or what not. You know, no describing some such part by some such name being inserted some such part with some such name. I'm pretty sure that we can dance around those very direct words with something a little more... romantic sounding. Besides, that could really show a creative side, having to find a more refined way of certain things or, rather, a way of dancing around it, even if it sounds silly. I, for one, also view "stuff" as a deep part of intimacy, just for the record. xD Some gore actually does bother me more. However, just as I wouldn't want to watch a gore movie where a male's genitals were chopped off, I wouldn't want to watch a moving actually showing the very private acts of sexytimes, you know, "part insertions." Nudity, sure, go for it. You can outright say they took all their clothes off, but I would prefer avoiding very specific descriptions of those lower areas.

Honestly, I'm not sure which I would roleplay in any real explicit detail, sexytimes or gore/violence. I don't, however, agree with the explicit roleplaying of rape scenes, at all. I think I could handle anything else in the world but open sexual manipulation/force. To me, it is both the greatest crime and a terrible fear. I do not want to read it in detail, though I do have at least one character that has actually raped someone. I'm just not going to write about it anything further in his description to say that he, in fact, raped someone. Simple as that, no explicit roleplays needed.

Quite frankly, I believe words that shouldn't be permitted to be used as swears should involve all personal body parts, as is within typical television. They may drop the F-bomb all they want in an M/R rated movie, but that doesn't mean that they can say slang terms for body parts. THAT is when it truly can get offensive.

Also, just tossing this topic out there, but what about scenes, well, perhaps involving drugs and/or the effect of drugs? That is also usually rated under mature. I have a character that was actually once addicted to a hallucinogen. It really isn't openly mentioned as of now and it is also past tense, but if I ever even want to roleplay her recollecting her past, then I would have to no where it would stand.

[Middy]

Just going to put this out there... I don't think explicit rape scenes should be allowed. I know it will obviously not be allowed. Ugh... the topic of rape in itself kinda infuriates me even though I am well aware it happens a lot (also studying Criminology, I am used to reading about it) But for me, I would prefer it be really dodgy if someone were to RP it. This is one thing I would like a warning about... and to tell you the truth I have a friend who was raped who I know well in RL. So for others and myself, if you are going to have something containing this, please put some sort of warning.

As for how I write sexual scenes Shrewd, I learned from an author Juliet Marillier. She is excellent at it, even if it is not the main focus of her books. Great author, and one of my favorites. I have never heard of this IKEA writing, and I agree that it has NO place on this site. Save that for places like fanfiction.net. I can write up an example when I have some free time though ^^

As for drug use, I would mark it under Mature. Although it depends on the degree of it, minor use may be under "TV14" where as heavier drug use may be mature. Much like the use of alcohol.

Sorry for my short rant above though, I might just be a bit more sensitive on the subject. Again, stating my opinion. Going to bed now folks <3

~Midnight

[Shieba]

If we dance around the issue like that, we don't need a mature section at all. I asked Shrewdie what fell under the PG-13 tag a while back and she said basically taking off all clothes and stuff was fine under it. I'd expect to be allowed to go into more detail in something rated M. And you don't have to call genitals by insult words, you know? You can describe them with much more flowery terms. XD;

Anyway, on the topic of drugs: Please, please put that under mature. My older sister died from drug abuse, making me really sensitive of that subject and I'd like to stay away from that just like I want to stay away from gore. And rape scenes? Nope, don't want to read them, either. I basically agree with what Toxic and Middy said on that subject.

[Chayden]

I can see that rape is a rather touchy subject here [though isn't it everywhere?], so I'm not going to say much.
My only comment is that, if you REALLY feel the need to go so deeply into a rape scene, just have a warning. Both in the title and in the beginning of the post, so that someone who'd be sensitive to it could skip the "worst" part and still be able to read the story, if they so chose.
The only time I'd most likely do a rape scene is in the victim's recollection, in order to convey their emotions or as something from a nightmare. And even that would not be so detailed, if only for humans' tendency to [try to]  block out traumatic experiences from their memories.
So yes. Roleplays containing rape need warnings, as do all of them. Just a little tag in the title or opening post so that no one stumbles across it looking for romance and gets a faceful of gore or something. o^o

[Moofius]

All this conversation is telling me is this:

Everyone is sensitive to SOME ASPECT of mature subject matter so saying, "THIS should be DEFO WATCHED CAREFULLY AND LABELLED more than THAT" is silly. Everyone's got their own thing. Some people think swearing is COMPLETELY AWFUL and others think that sex, whether it's loving, just for pleasure or an act of violence, is completely NO WAY IS THAT OKAY. And same for violence. I'm not going to give my opinnion on any of them here because, frankly, it doesn't matter. Everyone is different, everyone has their own comfort zones so the best way to respect everyone and not offend anyone would be to develop a tag system that covers everything, really. Within' reason. =P= ( and by that I mean "I am SO SCARED of bugs, so if your story has LOTS OF BUGS, you should tag it so I don't accidentally read about bugs." or something silly. xD; <333 )

[Kylo]

Option 1 all the way. Do you know how hard it is to keep zombie and horror roleplays PG13? It's nearly impossible for me. Hence why I had made my own site. But hurray for mature evelon!
Also the whole rape thing as a problem I can see people getting upset over it. I've got friends who were raped and it terrifies me. Despite this one of my characters was indeed raped in his past and the only reason why I did that was to develop who he is and why he has so many psychological problems. I hate rape and I usually don't approve of people writing about just to write about, but I use writing as a way to get rid of my fears and nightmares. I am terrified of rapists, simply terrified. I used to have nightmares about being raped. Anyway the point is yes there must be a warning about rape, I'm sorry but it needs a warning. I agree with midnight completely. Please give warnings.

As for gore, I love it. Yeah I'm a pretty sick person when it comes to that, but I also agree that there should be warnings for that as well. I don't want to upset anyone with my posts, though I already rate my posts for any RPs with gore in them.

[Middy]

Different strokes for different folks.

Now that is said I am curious to know how "2" people would RP with one another containing such material. I am free to RP almost all aspects, heck in one of my novels I do have some rape scenes (omg) but this is also from a historical standpoint.
The one I am working on is a world plagued with war... what happened a lot in war? Yeah, I may hate the subject, but I am also not going to be ignorant of what happened. History in itself is full of horrible acts of what mankind has done to one another, but there are also positive things too. How does this relate? I have a ton of warnings, it is an Adult rated novel.

What I am seeing here, is yes... not everyone can be happy. In the real world, it is the same. People complain about everything, wanting equal rights, trying to ban this or that. To compromise with TV shows or books, folks put warning after warning. If you ignore those warnings, your own fault. Not the authors.

That said, if a Mature section does get put up; I would be happy. For other people, to express different styles of writings and adding a creative twist on any subject. There needs to be restraints yes, believe it or not, even some what you kids call "pr0n" has set rules. Without those restraints, things would turn into a cesspool.

Simply put... don't like it... don't read it. If you think you are at the age to be viewing such material, then at least be mature about it.

~Midnight