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.:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby Kodai » 02/16/2014 12:06 AM

You may have noticed that checking in on the Shrine isn't exactly... something that gets done very often. :,| I do apologize deeply for that. In the interest of having things move along faster, Shrine Trait applications are going to be done differently now:

- Instead of posting in the Shrine and waiting for a deity to reply to you and RP with you, you now create your own 'training' RP (labeled with [Shrine RP]) in which your pet trains or otherwise studies for the Trait they want. When your RP is done, you then make a(n RP) post in the Shrine, linking to your RP and asking for a deity to grant your request. A deity will then reply to you, either granting or denying your request (depending on the quality of your RP).

- You will be able to apply for multiple Traits at once for multiple pets, if you like, and you may also RP with someone else who wishes to apply for a Trait. A Shrine RP will require 12 posts per pet per Trait (so, for instance, if you have two pets that are applying for one Trait each, or one pet applying for two Traits, your RP will need 24 posts).

- The minimum amount of sentences per post is 10, to encourage quality over speed.

- You may RP in any area you like, including war areas (these must be war-related, however).

- Each deity will have a list of general themes to choose from to base your RP on for each Trait. (Each deity and Trait is different, after all!) ... These aren't up yet, but they will be soon. P=;

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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby MillietheWarrior » 02/16/2014 12:42 AM

Will those who have already posted receive replies?

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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby Shieba » 02/16/2014 12:51 AM

Nope, Millie, we have to wait a day or two until the lists with the themes are up, then do our RPs and then report back to the Shrine again. At least that's what Kodai said to me in the IRC before posting this.

Dai, you forgot...to mention (decide?) if the requirements for the Traits have to be met before the Shrine RP starts or if it's enough to meet them during it. o3o



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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby MillietheWarrior » 02/16/2014 1:02 AM

Really? I did a lot of RPing to get my pet to the level needed just to apply for the shrine trait, so I'm not going to waste my time doing more of that to apply AGAIN. I've been waiting a really long time (Since March 2013, and others received replies for their posts who posted after me) for a reply, and I don't have the time to spend on a bunch more posts (24 posts that haven't been planned out and have no purpose for me will take me months to write). If I'd known about this sooner, I'd have pre-written my posts in the year it took for this to be implemented. I'll just delete my post and not bother.

I love adventurous tales like that. That uplifting feeling that comes from seeing unknown lands and the knowledge that you came across—nothing can replace it! It opens a path from which self-confidence, experience, and important friendships—from the sharing of life or death situations—are born! But hearing it just isn’t the same. I want to create my own magnificent story!



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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby Shieba » 02/16/2014 1:16 AM

I don't see the difference, Millie. If the Shrine would still work like it has been up to now, you would have had to do a RP as well, too - only with the god aiding you directly. My RP with Shrewdie for Elusive Foe had 26 posts - granted, half of them were Shrewdies and I had two pets in there, but just me alone posting would have been enough to cover one pet. Not much has changed, really, except that you RP alone now and don't have to wait for a deity, which makes things faster for you now. The Trait would not have been granted to you right away by the deity just because you applied, you know?

I've been waiting since June 2012, which is a lot longer than you. Still, I welcome this change a lot because nothing changed, except that I don't have to wait anymore for a reply now and can finally get this done to get my Trait now.



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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby MillietheWarrior » 02/16/2014 1:28 AM

The difference is RPing with someone, versus RPing with myself. It is incredibly hard for me to RP by myself, and it takes a lot of effort for me because I tend not to do too well unless I can play off of what someone else has written or said. Self RPing sucks. And regardless of the wait for you or I, it's still been a really long time. There has been plenty of time for it to be answered. I'll end up spending another year writing that self RP just because it won't be interesting or fun; self RPing was hard enough to get to the level to be able to apply. I would very much have preferred being able to RP with someone else.

I love adventurous tales like that. That uplifting feeling that comes from seeing unknown lands and the knowledge that you came across—nothing can replace it! It opens a path from which self-confidence, experience, and important friendships—from the sharing of life or death situations—are born! But hearing it just isn’t the same. I want to create my own magnificent story!



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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby Redd » 02/16/2014 1:31 AM

- You will be able to apply for multiple Traits at once for multiple pets, if you like, and you may also RP with someone else who wishes to apply for a Trait. A Shrine RP will require 12 posts per pet per Trait (so, for instance, if you have two pets that are applying for one Trait each, or one pet applying for two Traits, your RP will need 24 posts).


There is this bit if you would not like to RP alone, but the downside is, you will have to find someone to RP with by yourself. I may have completely missed the point though. If so, I am sorry ;_;

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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby MillietheWarrior » 02/16/2014 1:36 AM

How many people apply for a trait? That is a downside.
Do they have to apply for your same trait? Do they have to apply to the same God? What if they aren't at your level? There aren't a lot of pets at the higher levels. Can the two levels RP together?

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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby Thunder » 02/16/2014 1:39 AM

Just posting to say that I would be willing to RP with you for traits, Millie, even if I might be a little slow due to college work. I've also been in limbo with my trait RP for quite some time and wouldn't mind starting fresh.
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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby Redd » 02/16/2014 1:44 AM

It may be to encourage more people to apply, I couldn't tell you. ;n; I can tell you that I think Kodai went to bed, so I guess a more official answer to these questions will have to come in the morning when she wakes up, I'm sorry. I can poke her so she knows to look at this when she wakes up though. I'm sorry I don't know any more than you do on this matter.

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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby Jaykobell » 02/16/2014 1:52 AM

All I'd like to say is that, while we understand that we've neglected the shrine, we'd still like for this not to escalate into anger and/or a complete disagreement over the changes.

If you would like to ability to RP with other people with no restrictions, then you are free to request it. I personally thought that would be allowed when we talked about it, but really Kodai kinda shoved points at us and then posted the changes without anyone proofreading it. Because we do actually want you guys to finally be able to get the Traits, since we've obviously been neglectful.

We are trying to establish a better system, all we're asking is that things stay calm. I am in favor of letting you guys RP with anyone regardless of Trait application, etc, so long as you end up meeting the requirements. I can propose it to Kodai and we can discuss this further. It's always expected that a new feature will be in a stage of trial and error when it is first released. I don't find the suggestion to be able to RP with anyone for Traits unreasonable, so long as it matches whatever requirements you need to meet. Someone's character could come across yours while they're training, or your pet could be teaching things to another character, etc. That would allow you to RP with others without trailing away from the purpose of the RP or how you can get the Trait.

So for now, all I ask is that people don't jump to conclusions and don't start deleting posts. We are open to suggestions. Shieba is right, and none of us are going to deny it, the Shrine was horribly neglected. Getting to RP with other people other than us will grant you your Traits much, much faster, so please just offer whatever suggestions you feel will help this system, and we will do our best to accommodate. Kreepy is right in saying that Kodai is gone for the night (she can only be truly online from 7PM-11PM EST), but we'll discuss this in further details tomorrow once she's available.
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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby ToxicShadow » 02/16/2014 2:12 AM

I am simply posting to note that I would definitely prefer if we could roleplay alongside anyone else, especially because there may be a case where someone else's character is involved with the reasoning in going after a specific trait, or somehow related to them.
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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby MillietheWarrior » 02/16/2014 2:52 AM

I am not angry, I am upset, for both the abrupt change, the lack of replies, and the extreme wait time for any sort of information regarding the posts in the shrine (I think the current posts could have been tended to, and then the Shrine shut down for traits until the new system was completed). And I do disagree with the new change, but that's because I don't like it. Am I not allowed to do that? I don't see how it's not "calm" that I am raising legitimate disapproval of the new system, and how the old posts were disregarded. I raised my concerns: I don't like how long it took for any sort of "reply" about the shrine posts, it may be hard to find someone to RP since not a lot of people want Shrine traits or even battle, I'm not super thrilled about the new "system" of gaining traits, and if we do find someone to RP with, what are the restrictions on doing so (And do they have to actually train or teach or whatever to gain that trait). I will wait until Kodai comes back on for clarification, but I am stating how I feel about this "new system"; I think anyone and everyone can be entitled to that.

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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby Jaykobell » 02/16/2014 3:02 AM

I didn't say you weren't allowed to express concern: I even said that we encouraged it. :/ I'm just saying that, while we understand why you're upset — we've said multiple times that we've neglected the Shrine Traits and none of us will deny it — all I'm trying to say is that you don't have to go delete your post and then give up on getting Traits right after we're implementing a new system. That's all I'm trying to say. You just don't sound like you even want to give it the benefit of the doubt, is all.

Toxic clearly approves of your points, and I even said that I do, as well. So I'm not sure why you're seeing my post as an attack. Thunder's post can also be seen as an agreement to your points, since she mentioned having been left in limbo for her own RP. You're not the only one expressing unhappiness over our neglect.

Granted, Kodai released this, like I said, without us proofreading it. She mentioned points in our Mod channel, we talked a little, but I think all of us figured she would post something in our area where we could proofread and then add more. We confirmed some points and then she just took them and ran with it. Mostly, because we know we need to get those Traits to you guys.

All I'm saying is give this system just the benefit of the doubt, and yes, do express concerns, like I've encouraged you guys to do. It's late here right now, so for now, take this update as a sign that we are modifying the system so that you can have your Traits in a timely manner. The details will come tomorrow or later, once Kodai has a chance to sit down online and actually do work. Like I said, she can only really do anything between 7PM-11PM EST due to her parents' curfew. At which time we will try to work this out better.
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Re: .:Shrine Trait Application Revamp:. (2/15)

Postby Thunder » 02/16/2014 3:35 AM

Popping in again to also say that I'm guessing (but not sure) that this update is at least partially in response to Shieba's post here, and if that's the case, then this new system was thrown together very quickly, seeing as both of these topics surfaced on the 15th.

Since it was made so quickly, since Dai has not provided enough information in the initial post, and since she did not really consult the other mods, of course it's going to be really messy and confusing...not just for us users, but for the other mods as well. Certainly, everyone has a right to their state opinions, but Shrewd is just trying to say that because this idea is so rough, we should all reserve our final judgments and actions for when this is finally explicated in more detail. I can see why you're upset, Millie, and you've raised valid questions about how the system works, but who knows, it might turn out that this system would be more enjoyable. And to repeat, if you really dislike self-RPing that much (I know I have trouble with it too sometimes), I am very willing to write something up with you.

All any of us can do at this point is wait patiently for Dai now.
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