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Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby ToxicShadow » 11/13/2014 8:36 PM

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This post was originally going to go into my journal, as it contains some of my thoughts and opinions on the activity (or, really, the lack of it) that we have on Evelon. Yet, in the end, I felt that if I just posted it there, then I would still be doing the same thing I thought was one of the issues with how our community currently is. Which is that we hardly interact with each other any more. We just don't post to post and give our opinions or hear the opinions of others.

So, these are my thoughts.

Any comments about it or suggestions on how to revive our activity are MORE THAN WELCOME. So please do post? I would love to hear what everyone else thinks or what they have to say on the matter! <3


Despite not being able to be too active on Evelon, I have still been actively thinking about what can be done about the activity on it. It is more than obvious that users are less active on the site than they used to be, for a number of real life reasons, in most cases. However, even with busy real lives, we each have a little bit of time in our day where we tend to wander to Evelon or other websites we like, don't we?

I've come to the conclusion that, part of it, is just that simple: users AREN'T active. They log in, they check things, even wander around for hours, but they don't post anything. And I don't mean roleplays, but ANYTHING at all. We have the fabulous Gossip and Chatter section that hardly ever gets used, even though there are no sentence limitations to the replies there. We are a forum, once a very lively community, but we don't act like it, outside of those that wander into the IRC.

On the forums, themselves, we don't chatter about how our day was, ask questions, look for advice, discuss much of ANYTHING. We are fully capable of making a thread simply to say, "Oh my goodness, you guys, I just got a really great test score! I'm so happy!" where others can then just be nice and give us congratulations. We can do that, but we've come to a point in Evelon where people just don't, and I'm not even sure why.

When someone DOES post a thread, we can all see that it gets views and, most likely, users end up reading it for something to do while on Evelon, but they never post. Yet, how hard is it to post one or two sentences back? Like, "That's a an awesome idea," or what have you. Getting a reply back to a thread feels amazing when you want to share something or have a discussion with someone. Isn't that what the point of an online community really is? To interact with others that have some common interest? (Our main common interest is that we are here to roleplay or collect pretty pets, since that is what Evelon is about, but a community is used to relate to others, period, not just over whatever we all came here originally for.)

I have been considering making all sorts of different topics in the Chatter section, things like, a, "What made your day?" thread, where we can all go to rave about whatever big or little thing made us happy that day, and it can go on and on, for every day something happens that we feel like sharing. Sometimes, it is great to look at the positive things, even small, so why not share them with our lovely community?

My main concern with that, however, is even if I try to make an effort, will others? I WANT to post and interact with others on Evelon as a community. I hope others feel the same way. But are we so set in our ways of not doing so that things wont change and return to more of how they used to be?

Additionally, I would like to address the other aspect, the MAIN aspect of Evelon. We are a roleplay forum, yet, hardly any of that gets done anymore.

Roleplaying on the site, in and of itself, has changed a lot since the beginning or near beginning, since I don't go ALL the way back. I was a member when Lucain were just released, though, and own one of the first. I think that works as a reasonable to age me? Either way, I've been on Evelon longer than this particular forum host has existed, so longer than my join date on this account.

Instead of doing simple roleplays, many users post, well, text walls, unless they are familiar with their partner and know that shorter posts are fine and dandy. In my case, I could not care less if someone posted the basic five sentences, as long as I had a enough content to reply at least five sentences to in return.

I think extremely long posts can potentially harm the roleplay, in how often one feels they have the time to actually reply to said posts. I mean, let's face it, it can be quite difficult to write your own return text wall if you are pressed with time because of real life or other activities. Yet, still, even when making posts of reasonable length or content, if they seem short, many users feel the need to write, "Sorry it's so short!" or something similar. While, in my opinion, honestly, we are all here to have fun. So have fun, don't stress about length, and roleplay onward! You shouldn't have to feel the need to apologize for what you write.

Some of my very favorite roleplays in life have consisted of very short posts. However, because we wrote short posts, we wrote for pages and pages, and the story progressed a TON. That has to be way better than waiting weeks on end for a reply, right?

Of course, I also have nothing against users and roleplays that DO have lots and lots of content in their replies. I'm not trying to say that I do have an issue with it, but one way or another, we should stop worrying about how long or short our roleplay posts are and just go with it. If we're not doing a thing we enjoy doing because of worrying about the length of our posts (be it short or long) or what others will think about it or our characters, then something is very wrong. When roleplaying here should be something we have fun with to relax, get our mind off of real life, or what have you, but it's not working that way, well, it needs fixing.
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Re: Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby GrayGriffin » 11/13/2014 8:57 PM

I definitely agree with you on most of this, especially the part about the Gossip and Chatter section being so empty. I'd probably participate in some general chat topics, if they were made.
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Re: Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby Baconwizard » 11/13/2014 9:32 PM

I definitely agree with you, Toxic! There are a lot of things that I really like about Evelon, even though I've only been here for a few months. I would like to do more things to get to know other users and hang out.

I like the "What Made Your Day?" idea. It's positive and sounds like it could be a lot of fun. I also want to RP more! That's the main reason I came to Evelon hehe. The posting length can sometimes be intimidating, because my average reply length is about 6-7 sentences (my characters are mainly action driven whoops;;). I would write more but there's a strange yowling coming from the yard so I need to investigate 8|
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Re: Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby Jaykobell » 11/13/2014 9:51 PM

Staff is busy. Staff doesn't do events/things drag on forever. Members lose interest. Members become fairly inactive. Staff becomes inactive/demotivated because members are inactive. Also, a very, very small community.

Although the RP points is very much valid. I can't afford to type huge walls of text anymore. I'm just too tired to force myself for them, and just don't have enough time because of work.
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Re: Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby zapdragon555 » 11/13/2014 10:03 PM

I wholeheartedly agree with all points said, Toxic! I love the idea of more topics in the gossip and chatter section. When I first joined Evelon I remember that's where I posted a lot, just to chat with people or respond to things.

And the RP points are very relatable. While I can crank out text walls in my self RPs, I find it pretty hard to do it in private or open RPs! Length shouldn't matter as long as you give the other person(s) something to respond to, haha. I've found shorter, less thought out RPs go a lot farther than the ones that take ages to reply to, though those certainly have their place as well.

I really hope to start my D&D event soon, but senior year has been kicking my butt and I'm planning to enlist the help of a friend of mine to help me make some practical dungeons. But yeah, mods probably can't host events? Hence why user hosted events are so nice.

I also really hope the secret santa event is revived again this year? Because that's always a fun nice way to do nice things for people, hehe.

Tbh I'd also love it if breeding keys were more common because breeding with others is a really nice way to kick off an RP pairing. The only issues with that is mods are busy so making a lot of pups / hatchlings / etc is a lot of work, and some people do self-breedings, so idk hmm. Just brainstorming... Trying to remember what made things so active in the olden days? (Or like, olden for me. xD)



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Re: Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby Kyrit » 11/13/2014 10:06 PM

Chatter;
I don't have the time for super long roleplay posts, but I do roam the forums even while I'm at work at times. The only reason I don't post in the chatter threads much is because the only truly active one has been the Flight Rising thread, which I have very little interest in. I often times even check in on the irc if I'm doing computer work at work just to see if anyone's around doing idle chatter. So yeah. If threads popped up for just random chatter here and there, I'd probably post. Usually by the time I get home these days most people are gone to bed anyways, so it makes for not many people to talk with.

Roleplays;
Long RP posts have... probably been the death of my RPing. xD; I do love in-depth posts and all, but they take a great amount of time. I usually worry that shorter posts will be frowned on though, so I just do my best to drag posts out. I'm honestly not the best story writer, and as such still not an amazing RPer, but damn did I used to be fast back when posts were short.

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Re: Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby crow » 11/13/2014 10:11 PM

I mostly agree with most of what's been said here, and I'm going to make more effort to post in the Gossip and Chatter section at least, since that doesn't take a lot of thought or planning. I'm in a few RPs, but I've gotten a bit slow about replies just because school is mentally draining (especially now, so close to the end of the semester).

What I really want to do is make plots with other people that I can get really excited about, and I came back to Evelon because this seemed like the kind of environment where people actually... did that. In my other RP community, that didn't really happen. I don't even mind if it's not all RPed out--- I just miss plotting with people and being excited about our characters. I plot by myself a lot but that's not really the same, y'know? x3;

Short-post RPs do sound fun too. I'm just afraid of being disappointing or boring when I RP with people, long posts or not.

I'd love to chat more with members, because it doesn't feel like I know anyone too well. I'm in the IRC a lot, but talking in a crowd setting isn't always easy for me, and I'm the type who likes one-on-one conversations. (on that note--- if anyone wants to PM me just to chat, feel free! also feel free to add me on skype: I'm the4thcrow there ovo)
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Re: Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby ToxicShadow » 11/13/2014 11:03 PM

Oh my goodness, there are posts here; I am SO excited!

I feel that might be obvious from me also trying to throw out other threads or replies to threads for things to work toward activity, and I hope others do the same? Don't wait for others to make threads if there is something you want to talk about! I think the most difficult thing will be to keep the momentum going of new threads and posts, until we can break out of our sort of developed habits of just... not posting. I'm already totally enjoying all the interacting with others that is happening right now, reading others posts and opinions and things. <3

From what I can tell, it looks like most of us can agree that shorter roleplay posts are totally okay? I'm hoping that coming to understand that we can agree on this that we all can be less intimidated about roleplaying with each other, short or long posts. I love roleplaying, which ever way it is, and want to roleplay with more people in general. (Although that may have to wait, on my part, specifically, for a little while. I might be able to handle short posts, though, even with life and computer stuffs going on.)

I think with matters of staff and users on Evelon, that, well, the staff are not entirely responsible for activity on Evelon. In fact, it is just as much all of the users responsibility, if not more so, to keep the site alive. After all, without all of the users, staff included, Evelon could not be. I think what Shrewd said is very true: if users aren't active, it is difficult for staff to be active in doing staff things. I love different events and activities as much as the next person, but we shouldn't so heavily rely on these activities alone to be active. I actually feel sort of bad for the staff of Evelon, since it seems like they often don't get to enjoy things as members anymore even when they do wonderful things for everyone.

On that note, I will say that I do enjoy hosting events and things, also, and I love seeing user hosted events. When I have the opportunity to, I definitely want to host more activities.

I love chatting but, I will admit, I am horrible with PMs, even though I certainly welcome them. I'm not sure why, but I tend to forget to respond to them and my PM inbox is usually full. xD;
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Re: Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby Thunder » 11/14/2014 1:42 AM

I never really thought about the longer RP posts being intimidating, but I can see why that would happen. In any case, the length of the post shouldn't matter, only the quality. Another big thing that changed in terms of RPing on Evelon, though, is how open RPs are... I know I am personally very guilty of this, but back in the day there were a ton of open RPs where everyone could hop in, and nowadays, RPs are usually just between a few people. And there's a lot of self-RPs. If we made an effort to start more open RPs, that may help boost activity and interactions between users.

I want to get back to doing things here, but I've just been doing so many different things outside of Evelon ;__; Either I'm drowning in college work (finals week is coming up, ugh), want to draw instead of write (this is mostly what's happening right now), playing video games (Smash Bros...), or doing things on Flight Rising (two of my really close friends recently joined that site and we like doing stuff there together). So yeah, I'm just super bad at juggling all my activities, and that's entirely on me. With that said, I'm hoping to crank out a ton of posts over Thanksgiving/holiday break... I just really want to clear up my backlog of unfinished artwork at the moment x3x;
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Re: Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby Middy » 11/14/2014 5:31 PM

First, I am NOT afraid to say how I feel anymore. I shouldn't have to be so...

I am not active as much, I mean I just had major surgery and it will be another 3 weeks before I am fully recovered, plus I got slammed with C. Diff right after so I am very sick right now. I also have to plan for next semester of college, take care of expenses, and talk to the mortuary college + doctor bills. I am booked, and stressed.

Unfortunately, my free time is barely spent on Evelon anymore BECAUSE of the lack of activity. I am finding myself playing WoW (and talking to my group there on facebook) playing other games, Flight Rising, or working on studies/sculpting and/or apprenticeship when I recover. Nothing is bringing me back here really, nothing is going on... it feels so dull right now.

Gossip and Chatter sounds awesome, but I really have nothing to talk about at the moment personally, since I feel as though I am judged by some for how sick I am all the time. Really, do I WANT to be? It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. I'm also not in college right now to SAY anything interesting, maybe once I'm in again. Still, I find myself talking to people off Evelon about how life is going at the moment, maybe that will change.

To be honest, I hate super long RP posts... I am highly ADD and it usually takes eons for me to reply or just ignore the post for long periods of time because hey... I can't focus THAT long for a reply. That and I have a lot of things on my plate as of late to really do long posts all the time. Shorter posts that have enough substance to move the plot along are better and encourages more interaction between two or more people, getting things flowing faster. My self-RPs are long sure, but that's because I know my characters and know what direction I'm going in already. So in short, I greatly dislike super long RP posts. Finally said it. I excel at shorter RPs, and I don't need purple prose to get my point across. I'm not writing a novel here, I'm interacting in a plot with other people.

It's sad that my RPs now are done off-site, because they are shorter but give more interaction between me and the person I'm roleplaying with, and man does the plot go FAR. Then again, I am not limited either. No real rules for me really. I can have my lore, and my partner's lore combined with video game/anime characters and their lore mixed in, making for some epic plots.

That is beside the point though. Until this site starts gaining more activity (and I will try to help) I will start coming back more.
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Postby Kyrit » 11/14/2014 7:09 PM

MidnightDraconia wrote:Then again, I am not limited either. No real rules for me really. I can have my lore, and my partner's lore combined with video game/anime characters and their lore mixed in, making for some epic plots.


I don't see how you'd be restricted from this on Evelon (if you even are, since I'm not sure you are). Sure we ask for 5 sentences (which 5 isn't hard), but as far as content goes there is very, very little we limit nowdays. With the exception of RPing on a site like Tumblr or something, I'm willing to bet we actually restrict far less than anyone else. I started my RPing days on Neopets, where god forbid you did anything at all in a roleplay. So long as you give warning tags here, you're all fine.
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Re: Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby Silverin » 11/14/2014 8:02 PM

For me to be perfectly honest I feel the same way Shrewd does. However I also have my own feelings as well. I feel like I don't know enough of true Evelon lore. I kinda feel we need some sort of foundation. However not something totally restrictive that it kills bringing in characters from outside influences (cause sometimes we have deep connections with those characters). Just something more interactive, that we can interact with and influence. If this makes sense.

A lot of people don't make characters based on evelon but bring in characters from the outside because there is nothing solid to evelon that people can grasp so we bring in our own lore to give us some footing and evelon just happens to be a setting. However this does not change anything. There is no effect on evelon. I feel there is nothing to hold on to so folks get bored more easily. Few NPCs to interact with and little to no feeling of belonging.

Its also something that keeps video games together, cause they give you something to grasp. Also the gratification of actually doing something and making a difference. Its what makes video games fun.
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Re: Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby Azura Rayume » 11/14/2014 10:18 PM

I actually do better roleplaying with other people than on my own, which has caused a little issue for me. Most of the people I used to write with are fairly inactive to gone for one RL reason or another, and it seems like fewer and fewer people are looking to RP with new partners nowadays. Couple that with the fact that it takes me a while to write sometimes between work and hobbies and the fact that I sleep more than I probably should when given the chance leaves me not doing much (If you're seeing this, Bacon, I promise I'm working on a reply).

No post length has ever bothered me, though I have a subconscious habit of trying to match post length with whoever I'm writing with. The only reason I add a "sorry for short post" note at the end is if whatever I wrote is awfully short compared to the ones before. That usually only happens in breedings, though, since I'm trying to get things done quickly and failing at making coherent thoughts.

With the ideas floating around that long posts are imposing or inconvenient or difficult on some people, it makes me really want to get some of these D&D style events off the ground. For those, it's as short as you want. Small posts would be best, actually, since a lot of it will be conversation and quick reactions to situations. On top of that, I've made a system like a very dumbed down 4th edition that anyone could pick up and run (and add to!) if they wanted to do a similar event with their own story and setting



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Re: Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby Saahs » 11/14/2014 10:43 PM

I'll admit that I tend to make long posts. I'm one of those ramblers (insert a million apologies here ;; ). Not always, but a good chunk of the time I spit out four or five paragraphs. But I've seen plenty of other people's RP posts that make even me go, "Excuse, that is too many. My brain is possibly imploding please slow down." So I can definitely say, that yes, long posts can be intimidating, especially if one feels obligated to match post length. This sound hecka contradictory but I can't put it into different words that would make any better sense? /frantic shrugging

Open RPs are something I'd love to see more of. I've also noticed that people stick to private and self RPs. An issue I need to run over is my confidence (or lack thereof) in making interesting plots that people would want to hop onto, concerning any open RPs I'd make. Not that my seasonal job is over, I'll have more time to actually brainstorm things, and maybe kick some self esteem into gear and post a few open RPs here. I'd love doing that. :U

And I gotta agree with Silverin, it's hard for me to really settle my characters into the world of Evelon. I'm constantly asking myself, "Does this fit the world?" Even if a more solid base of lore would restrict some things I have down about my characters, I could better adjust them to fit. But I understand how tedious something like that would be.

Lots of "I"'s and Hound opinions here, but I agree that more talking happening in the Gossip and Chatter would help with the forum's activity, even with as small a community as we are. From what I've seen from posts in here and in other threads, not a lot of us actually know one another well, which isn't exactly promising for a small community? I think more topics would help people get to know one another and, in the end, be more comfortable with each other and more willing to interact in roleplay.

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Re: Discussion on Evelon Activity?

Postby Baconwizard » 11/14/2014 11:01 PM

Silverin wrote:I feel like I don't know enough of true Evelon lore. I kinda feel we need some sort of foundation. However not something totally restrictive that it kills bringing in characters from outside influences (cause sometimes we have deep connections with those characters). Just something more interactive, that we can interact with and influence.


I think having a common Evelon lore would be a fun project to work on? World building is super fun, and having a sort of structure would make creating characters a little easier. The different RPing areas also intrigue me, especially in commonly used areas like the Slums, where people already kind of make up their own version of "sketchy criminal underworld" area. Even the fewer travelled areas like the swamps are interesting. In short, we have a lot of areas that we can expound on (and already do in RPs) as a collective body.

As I say this, I actually have no idea if there already is a history/vague world building in place or not x'D. But if there isn't, or if the information that's available isn't as detailed as needed, I think it would be a neat idea if we could make an effort to write one? It shouldn't be left solely on the shoulders of the staff, because they have enough on their plate as it is. I dunno how we'd write it as a community, but I think it would be rad if we could use that as a way to come together or something x'D

Should a topic be made? :U
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