[Kyrit]

I figured I'd go ahead and make a suggestion thread so users can tell us what they would like out of the A licenses, as well as see if users like what ideas we've already come up (as few of them as there are). Overall we do want these to be incentives to work toward an A rank license, and not something that will put users at a huge advantage over other users if they have it. Small benefits here and there.

So far I've come up with two potential ideas.
° Marketplace discounts
       Mostly really low discounts (like, 5-10 KS), but those discounts do add up over time. Here are some examples.
       Potions; 5 KS off potion usable by breedable pertaining to your A license
       Scintilla; 5-10 KS off requested changes if you have a Kuhna A license
       Breeding rooms; 5-10 KS off room cost of rooms pertaining to your A license
       Metamorphose; Discounted experiment Kuhnas for Kuhna A license?
       Evo-Lux; 5-10 KS requested changes pertaining to breedable of your A license

° Special titles/rank
       Much like how I have the title "Elie's Trashcan" or Banhammer is "Your DOOM!!!"
       These titles obviously don't give you anything, but it's still something to say, "Hey! I put effort in and got this title!" They could range from a single title for each type of license to combo ones (ex. Lucain + Paragon) to an "I've got it all!" sort of one if you manage to reach it depending on what users liked best.
       The titles would come with their own icons (perhaps little breedable heads or paw prints instead of stars?) and I think it'd be fine to let users choose to swap between them if they wanted.

Anyways, those were the two ideas I've had that could easily be connected to licenses. I'd definitely welcome any input on them, even if the input is, "I don't really like this idea. I think it's giving too much to license owners." Or maybe you want to say that you think discounts could go based off of some of the lower rank licenses too (ex. 5 KS discount for C rank, 10 KS discount for B rank, ect). Seriously, it's up to you guys to let us know what would make you happy.

[zapdragon555]

I like both ideas! ovo

Are we still doing the EoF for a Kuhna A License, custom Lucain for a Lucain A license business? Or is that scrapped? :0 Because that's a pretty nice incentive by itself, too, if we're keeping those! *rubs hands all over every EoF evur--* /shotdead

[Kyrit]

The KS/custom rewards will definitely remain, yeah. We just want to find more incentives as replacement for the Outposts. =)

[Freezair]

Is it weird that I got oddly excited about the prospect of a custom title? That's the kind of offbeat little reward that sends my heart aflutter!

Here's a possible suggestion: Maybe Chaos Elixirs could be presents for getting the top licenses? The permanent ones, not the single-use ones. Possibly there could be a "permanent EoF" for Kuhans as well, that allows them to always have custom babies. Another idea that occurred to me: I know there are certain special Kuhnas/Lucain with "randomness" built into their genes, like a Lucain who can guarantee any one marking in his offspring and a Kuhna who can adopt any genes for a breeding. Maybe more of those, made as randoms, could be rewards?

[Thunder]

Here's a possible suggestion: Maybe Chaos Elixirs could be presents for getting the top licenses? The permanent ones, not the single-use ones. Possibly there could be a "permanent EoF" for Kuhans as well, that allows them to always have custom babies. Another idea that occurred to me: I know there are certain special Kuhnas/Lucain with "randomness" built into their genes, like a Lucain who can guarantee any one marking in his offspring and a Kuhna who can adopt any genes for a breeding. Maybe more of those, made as randoms, could be rewards?

I really like the Chaos Elixir idea : O I feel like we could use some more of those around. I'm a little more iffy on the perma-EoF, though, since custom Kuhna babies can take a good bit of time to make. As for the "random" genes, I personally wouldn't want to make entirely new randoms for that since people can already get customs pets with their A licenses, but that could be another "permanent potion" thing like the Chaos Elixir. Actually that would also be nice to have as a one-time use potion, the guaranteeing one specific marking thing.

[crow]

A permanent EoF might not be too convenient, but remember when Fortuity Potions were permanent? Maybe something like that, except it allows you to choose the breed each time, instead of permanently committing to one? With all the other limitations of a Fortuity Potion, otherwise.

I'm not against the Chaos Elixir thing either, myself.

[ToxicShadow]

Here's a possible suggestion: Maybe Chaos Elixirs could be presents for getting the top licenses? The permanent ones, not the single-use ones. Possibly there could be a "permanent EoF" for Kuhans as well, that allows them to always have custom babies.

I am definitely all for Chaos Elixers being awarded, since they are otherwise not something all too available. I believe only three pets have received one. Seeing as they can be used for Lucain, Paragon and Soveris, I can easily see one being awarded for each of their A rank achievements.

However, I agree with the others that a Permanent EoF, while it would, undoubtedly, be neat, it wouldn't be all too viable. That is, custom Kuhnas require the most work for the breeding staff, so having a Kuhna that could ALWAYS produce custom babies would likely create a large increase in the workload.

Another idea that occurred to me: I know there are certain special Kuhnas/Lucain with "randomness" built into their genes, like a Lucain who can guarantee any one marking in his offspring and a Kuhna who can adopt any genes for a breeding. Maybe more of those, made as randoms, could be rewards?

As the owner of the Lucain that throws markings, part of this makes me go, "Oh, but I want my pretty to be special!" But the other part of me goes, "This would be awesome." Haha. xD;

That said, rather than giving that ability to a new random, I think it would be neat to offer the ability for a user to grant one of these special abilities to one of their existing pets (and/or their new A rank custom/Kuhna breed). So, for example, a user could have a few options.

If you receive and A Rank Kuhna License you could select a Kuhna you own to have the ability to either:
+ Throw any specific genes in a breeding.
OR
+ Choose to be bred as a wildcard.

For Lucain, it could be something like choosing from one of these abilities:
+ Throw any chosen marking.
+ Breeding with the Lucain automatically increases the max mini markings that can appear on its offspring (babies can have four mini marks).
+ Can throw any specific, chosen color in a breeding. (Same as the marking, but you give a hex code for any color which will then appear on at least one baby.)
+ Can choose to cancel out mini markings, so no mini markings appear on its children.

[Freezair]

Ooooh! I love the idea of having multiple benefits to choose from. Maybe they could be in item/potion form to make them easier to track... and to allow the mods to come up with fun names for them.

You know, for Kuhna A licenses, one idea that comes to mind might be free Scintilla edits? Like, a "gift card" for 300 KS of free edits or something.

[Silver]

I really like some of the potion ideas going around! That seems like a perfect reward for a dedicated breeder. (Though I agree that a permanent EoF is a bit much.) I also like Freezie's idea of a Scintilla coupon! I'd be all over that.

I'm wary about the idea of permanent discounts. At first it seems like just a little bit, but over time it could add up to a huge amount. It also furthers the gap between well established users and newbies.

[ToxicShadow]

The idea behind the possible discounts being so small (5 or 10 KS), is so that there isn't really much of a gap at all, but it's a small incentive. Really, 5 KS is earned through a single roleplay post. That's just five sentences, which could take less than five minutes to write. It's not really a big deal, but it's just nice. Additionally to that, by the time a user reaches an A Rank, they HAVE dished out a good bit of KS to get there, so gaining it back by saving just a little bit with future breeding related purchases is nice.

I, for one, know that if I had a 10 KS discount on breedings, then I'd split the new cost with any breeding partners, if they wanted to, so that we'd each save a little. (Each paying 55 KS instead of 60 KS, for the non-Kuhna rooms.) I imagine a large number of our community would do the same.

These are all my opinions, of course, but that's the way I look at it.

[Kyrit]

A permanent EoF might not be too convenient, but remember when Fortuity Potions were permanent?

Actually, the Fortuity Potions never were permanent. The only two potions to ever be permanent have been the ELE and Chaos Elixir.

Personally, I'm a bit weary of permanent potions because they're a bit awkward to record, but if enough people seem interested in things like that it's definitely something that could be considered.

One other thing I've recently toyed with in my head is giving A license users an extra breeding room slot to use each month. Since it's just one slot though, that means if they want to use all their slots at least one of them has to be a breeding with another user, which could encourage helping others work toward their A license? To further that, we could always make it so that if users mention they're specifically using that lot it also doesn't take a slot out of their partner's monthly slots, or something. I say that, just because if users don't specifically mention the A license slot we'd probably forget and end up marking the other person down for a used slot. Definitely an idea that needs a little thought put in to it, but yeah. XD Just trying to keep this alive.

[zapdragon555]

I think it definitely comes down to whether or not users will use that extra slot; would it be a free slot? Like no users involved have to pay anything? Or would it just be an extra? Not saying it's a bad idea at all, I just want more info eheh. xD Like the rate I'm doing breedings, 2 a month is all I can really handle, time-wise and money-wise.

[ToxxicRenegadeAngel]

I think the extra A-license slot would be a big bonus, especially if the A-slot were free.

It's basically giving people who have made it to the A-license an opportunity to breed once a month for free, even if they don't do any other breedings that month. Maybe put this in place with the stipulation that it has to be a joint slot, stating that it cannot be used for self-breedings?

I also like the idea of the chaos elixir somewhat, and the scintilla voucher for the Kuhna A-license. The discounts would also be neat, especially if they were eligible for cross-species things, like the LLPs etc.

[MillietheWarrior]

Eh, I'm not a fan of the extra breeding room slot. Two breedings are really enough per month, I think. Having three seems like too much. So you could potentially do two self breedings or one self breeding, but I don't see much of a use or difference. Most people don't finish in a month anyway.

I am ALL in favor of scintilla discounts (discounts in general). Like 10 KS would be amazing. I didn't know EoFs were an A-rank license prize? I thought it was a kuhna of your choice and always had been. Did that change?  But yeah, all in favor of discounts. I personally use the marketplace a LOT, and I think it gets more in general than the breeding rooms. And you could always add a Huntsman Hall discount as well, if people wanted that.

[ToxicShadow]

Three slots, oh yeeees.

I got spoiled by the three slots and miss having them, as I really don't like the fact that if I want to do a self breeding, that's all I can do in one month with just the two slots. I have many self pairings, which I do want to breed, but I also enjoy roleplaying with others and helping others with their projects (palette potion babies, certain Kuhnas, etc) and license numbers. So, with just the two slots, I have continued to more or less prioritize breedings with other users, even though I have at least five breedings planned just between my own characters.

So, that said, I don't care if it is free or not. I just want a third slot. If other users don't feel they have enough KS to pay for a second or third breeding, then it is not as if they have to use it every month. Or it could be a "half price," slot?

Instead of giving breeding room discounts, as was suggested in the first post, the discount could just go hand-in-hand with the extra slot? Where THAT specific room is cheaper, maybe with a third or half of the price off?

Although, I do think that an extra slot would be best set up as something like, the extra slot can only be used for rooms in which you have A Licenses for. So, if you have an A Kuhna License, you could only use the extra slot for a Kuhna breeding, and so on. And it could be specified in the first post, "Using my Kuhna A Licence to claim an extra slot."